Monday, January 08, 2007
The British National Party
I recently had a discussion with a BNP supporter on Up Pompeii, like many people I grew up with the concept of Nation Front skinheads being a bunch of nasty steel toed clad racists. Like many people I have had my share of PC grooming, even in 1999 after 2 years of finding out more about Islam I was still clinging to to the Islam is a religion of peace mantra for security, even though my belief in that was in tatters.
On Jihad Watch I once said that if you give me a choice between Fascism and Islam then I would chose the Fascists as there is no way back from Islam.
About 6 to 8 months ago I went on the BNP site and found something mildly racist, today I went back having had this discussion on racism, I read Nick Griffins pieces and straight away I connected with what he is saying. Perhaps in Nick Griffin we have that Winston Churchill figure?
I would offer one important bit of advice, in France the FN seems to be making a grave error linking in with some of the Muslims with anti-Jewish attitudes, I would strongly advise Mr Griffin and co to start speaking to Philip de Villiers and stop any contact with Le Pen, de Villiers seems much more in touch with the BNP as they are now, which is praise indeed.
The BNP is a legitimate political party and at this point they will get my vote in the next general election, because they are the only party to tell the truth about Islam, in fact I would even join the BNP at this point.
On Jihad Watch I once said that if you give me a choice between Fascism and Islam then I would chose the Fascists as there is no way back from Islam.
About 6 to 8 months ago I went on the BNP site and found something mildly racist, today I went back having had this discussion on racism, I read Nick Griffins pieces and straight away I connected with what he is saying. Perhaps in Nick Griffin we have that Winston Churchill figure?
I would offer one important bit of advice, in France the FN seems to be making a grave error linking in with some of the Muslims with anti-Jewish attitudes, I would strongly advise Mr Griffin and co to start speaking to Philip de Villiers and stop any contact with Le Pen, de Villiers seems much more in touch with the BNP as they are now, which is praise indeed.
The BNP is a legitimate political party and at this point they will get my vote in the next general election, because they are the only party to tell the truth about Islam, in fact I would even join the BNP at this point.
# posted by Daffersd @ 5:16 PM 
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Have they really changed or is this just window dressing? Are you voting for real or a protest vote to wake-up the main parties?
Daffersd, best £25 youll ever spend.
jason pappas,the three main parties arnt asleep as far as islam is concerned. they are in a coma.
jason pappas,the three main parties arnt asleep as far as islam is concerned. they are in a coma.
Jason,
Let us take it from the top, if you see Islam as a major threat like I do and the BNP is the only one addressing it on the home front then you could start with that as being the most important thing to vote for. So from that point it’s a protest vote, but you have to understand some of the reasons for that with the first past the post constituency system.
From that point you have a view on the protest vote approach, to get the main parties scared of the political change and start to take the concerns of the majority seriously, and the main issue is Islam followed by uncontrolled immigration and stupid PC and the destruction of national pride across the EU.
People are not gong to vote for a racist party, this is the issue facing the FN in France, in fact the FN is a real problem for the anti-jihadists in France.
It is a difficult one, the first thing I wanted to do was look at the changes in the party, now I see the move away from what I would call the hard core, or the steel toed brigade.
Instead we have the membership of people like Simone Clarke, which was exposed by the Guardian, this is a very good thing indeed.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1804
Now what does this say, we have a person who seems as decent as I am who is obviously not racist as she works day to day with people from ethnic backgrounds, but she is concerned about immigration of the wrong sort, like me.
Now what will the effect of people like Simone have with the BNP, they will change it. OK not initially, but over time, but the BNP has already changed, because it recognizes that it needs to get past the racism issue, and in downplaying that they will over time become less racist and will lose that tinge.
Initially I thought that the Guardian had shot themselves in the foot as they showed that normal people were joining the BNP, people that you and I could perhaps relate too, but it is also an attack on the Tories just as Labour is looking so weak, it could be sneakly designed to weaken the Tory vote.
I read what Nick Griffin had to say, yes it was just words and he has to be careful what he says, now he did his blog in a very matter of fact way, he did this very skilfully, the guy is very intelligent, to appeal to the normal Brit. But he came across to me as someone I could have as a mate. Mentioning the singer with Jools Holland was masterful, but also pointing out that he was not keen on the voices of black females, while I happen to love them, but it is a question of taste.
The next think to understand that there is a core of what I call the steel toed brigade and they are making noises about not being happy with the direction of the party.
All in all, I would say I am not sure, but what I do see is a party changing to become a political force, it will lose its real extreme tinge as more people who are fed up with Islam get involved because there is no where else to go and the false racist such as me, who are accused of being racist when we say there is an issue with Islam will move the BNP further down the road that it is already travelling.
So I will vote for them, and part of that is that my old constituency is so Tory that it would not make much of a difference. So my personal vote will be a protest vote.
I notice that you are American, well you have a committee of the two parties drawing up the boundaries for each constituency, in the UK we have tinkering of the borders of old constituencies. It does not get around the issue of significant population change, so you find that constituents in Labour heartlands such as Wales and Scotland have significantly fewer voters in them than those in the South-East of England.
In the last election, England was won by the Tories, but as far as I can see, it was the Welsh and Scottish votes that put Labour back in power.
This is why David Cameron is bending so far to the left its rather sickening.
I hope that helps, I think they are changing and have already changed, even if it was a false change by a manipulating leadership (my gut feel does not think that), it will still cause change over time.
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Let us take it from the top, if you see Islam as a major threat like I do and the BNP is the only one addressing it on the home front then you could start with that as being the most important thing to vote for. So from that point it’s a protest vote, but you have to understand some of the reasons for that with the first past the post constituency system.
From that point you have a view on the protest vote approach, to get the main parties scared of the political change and start to take the concerns of the majority seriously, and the main issue is Islam followed by uncontrolled immigration and stupid PC and the destruction of national pride across the EU.
People are not gong to vote for a racist party, this is the issue facing the FN in France, in fact the FN is a real problem for the anti-jihadists in France.
It is a difficult one, the first thing I wanted to do was look at the changes in the party, now I see the move away from what I would call the hard core, or the steel toed brigade.
Instead we have the membership of people like Simone Clarke, which was exposed by the Guardian, this is a very good thing indeed.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1804
Now what does this say, we have a person who seems as decent as I am who is obviously not racist as she works day to day with people from ethnic backgrounds, but she is concerned about immigration of the wrong sort, like me.
Now what will the effect of people like Simone have with the BNP, they will change it. OK not initially, but over time, but the BNP has already changed, because it recognizes that it needs to get past the racism issue, and in downplaying that they will over time become less racist and will lose that tinge.
Initially I thought that the Guardian had shot themselves in the foot as they showed that normal people were joining the BNP, people that you and I could perhaps relate too, but it is also an attack on the Tories just as Labour is looking so weak, it could be sneakly designed to weaken the Tory vote.
I read what Nick Griffin had to say, yes it was just words and he has to be careful what he says, now he did his blog in a very matter of fact way, he did this very skilfully, the guy is very intelligent, to appeal to the normal Brit. But he came across to me as someone I could have as a mate. Mentioning the singer with Jools Holland was masterful, but also pointing out that he was not keen on the voices of black females, while I happen to love them, but it is a question of taste.
The next think to understand that there is a core of what I call the steel toed brigade and they are making noises about not being happy with the direction of the party.
All in all, I would say I am not sure, but what I do see is a party changing to become a political force, it will lose its real extreme tinge as more people who are fed up with Islam get involved because there is no where else to go and the false racist such as me, who are accused of being racist when we say there is an issue with Islam will move the BNP further down the road that it is already travelling.
So I will vote for them, and part of that is that my old constituency is so Tory that it would not make much of a difference. So my personal vote will be a protest vote.
I notice that you are American, well you have a committee of the two parties drawing up the boundaries for each constituency, in the UK we have tinkering of the borders of old constituencies. It does not get around the issue of significant population change, so you find that constituents in Labour heartlands such as Wales and Scotland have significantly fewer voters in them than those in the South-East of England.
In the last election, England was won by the Tories, but as far as I can see, it was the Welsh and Scottish votes that put Labour back in power.
This is why David Cameron is bending so far to the left its rather sickening.
I hope that helps, I think they are changing and have already changed, even if it was a false change by a manipulating leadership (my gut feel does not think that), it will still cause change over time.
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